Debating against propagandists.
by tonytran2015 (Melbourne, Australia).
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This art requires strict discipline. A debater against propagandists must set down the following rules to protect fairness to himself and to his cause:
1. All debate will be promptly and RUDELY finished for any debate participant violating the mutually agreed debating rules.
2. The mutually agreed debating rules should be clearly laid out and should include:
2a- Only one person should talk at a time.
2b- No unneeded attribute should be made against the opposing side.
For example:
The addressing mode “Mr A” is acceptable but “The arrogant Mr. A” is not acceptable in any debate between Mr. A and a propagandist.
2c- Questions and answers must be alternated between debating participants to give an apparent sense of fairness.
Reporters should only be allowed to ask questions and should not be allowed to debate with interviewees. (Some BBC “reporters” have now become actually debaters, asking questions but not letting interviewees giving answers/replies).
2d- Any reply must be (in English) understandable by any 8th grader (the old standard for legal document) shorter than 100 words and should be no longer than 3 minutes.
2e. Any reply full of self-referential argument must be re-phrased in concise statements to be (in English) understandable by any 8th grader (the old standard for legal document) shorter than 100 words and should be no longer than 3 minutes.
2f- The re-phrasal should preferably be then summarized by the other side in his own term to avoid any terminology trap.
2g- All reply must end up with a definite answer to the question asked. The answer must be
some required word or a
“Yes”,
“No”, or
“I don’t know” or “I am not sure”.
2h- During the reply by one side the other side must keep absolutely quiet until the responder has exceeded his allocated reply time or has declared that his reply has ended.
Beware of the jeering crowds: Propagandists are often accompanied by their own jeering crowds to insult their opponents. This is also often seen in Australian Parliament with the “honorable” parliamentarians forming undesirable disorderly jeering crowds. Their jeer-words are usually “racist”, “Nazist”, “sexist”, “xenophobe”, “homophobe”, “**phobe”, “anti-**”, and lately “deplorable”.
2i- Even the two questions allowed to reporters at press conferences have to conform to these rules.
“A journalist called upon to ask a question will ask a single question and then will yield the floor to other journalists;
At the discretion of the President or other White House official taking questions, a follow-up question or questions may be permitted; and where a follow up has been allowed and asked, the questioner will then yield the floor;
‘Yielding the floor’ includes, when applicable, physically surrendering the microphone to White House staff for use by the next questioner;
Failure to abide by any of rules (1)-(3) may result in suspension or revocation of the journalist’s hard pass.”
Citing Acosta, WH Releases ‘Rules’ For Journalists To Follow Or Risk Losing Press Credentials
3- Dis-ambiguity is essential in any debate against propagandists.
For example, it must be clarified whether the attribute Z mentioned by a propagandist means:
a- a religion or
b- a race, an ethnic group or
c- a nationality,
and different replies are given according to different meanings.
Do NOT allow a propagandist to morph his argument from one meaning to another to derail and ridicule your argument.
Soviet officials have been said to be quite good at this dis-ambiguity on their immigration works while English officials are hopelessly unable to make any dis-ambiguity.
The following are examples of propagandists morphing the language to ridicule their opponents with their accompanying jeering crowds.
Worried about Islamic immigration? Racist
The key words to note are Islamic and racist. The answer should be:
You are confused between religions and races.
Don’t like how your community has turned from English speaking to Chinese, Vietnamese, or Arabic? Racist.
The key words to note are English, Chinese, Vietnamese, Arabic languages and racist. The answer should be:
You are confused between national languages, national coherence and races. We respect each of Chinese, Vietnamese, or Arabic languages, but in our country we expect everyone to speak a common language so that we can know what each other communicates, thinks and expects. Common language makes national coherence.
Worried that our immigration system is eroding all that remains of the Anglo-European aesthetic of Australian communities? Racist.
The key words to note are Anglo-European aesthetic and racist.The answer should be:
You are confused between national culture, national norm, national values and races. We built this nation from the Anglo-European aesthetic of Australian communities and we want to preserve it. So do the people of nations of other cultures, they also want to preserve theirs in their own nations.
4. The use of any evidence beyond those cited in encyclopedias must be agreed upon in prior. The evidence must be equally accessible by both sides with adequate time to examine their authenticity. Otherwise refuse to take at face value any evidence supplied by propagandists.
Example:
Propagandist: Australia had decided to go multi-cultural.
The meaning of multiculturalism has changed significantly since its formal introduction to Australia. Originally … as a need for acceptance that many members of the Australian community originally came from different cultures and still had ties to it. However, it came to mean the rights of migrants … to express their cultural identity. [7]
Debater must refute that statement at face value: Who decided ? Have the people been asked in any referendum ? It has not been in the constitution or any national law.
Remember that propagandists will stop at nothing. To fool people, they are ready to fabricate false “evidence”, apply selective justice and employ all methods to silence their critics (“laws” against criticizing their arguments, Denial of Service attacks against opponent websites and even murders of their critics).
Please see the notes and references [8, 9] added after 2018 Dec. 05.
5. The use of any theory, terminology beyond the understanding of 8th graders in any debate must be agreed upon in prior. The theory must be equally accessible by both sides.
Example: Karl Marx’s books or Mao Tse Tung’s books must be readily available to both sides. Any special interpretation must also be available to both sides before debate.
6. Use exactly the past arguments by a propagandist against his current own argument.
Leftists advocated North Vietnam waging war in South Vietnam because South Vietnam did not carry out the referendum for re-unification agreed in Geneva 1954.
Debaters against leftists should use that same argument of NO FREE ELECTION to support Arabian Spring or colour revolutions and attack their defending of Iraqi S. Hussein and Libyan M. M. A. M. Gaddafi.
References:
Goebbels’s Principles
Reich Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, left an account in his diary of the tactics used to promote the Nazi cause. These principles are reprinted below as summarized by Leonard W. Doob in his essay, Goebbels’ Principles of Propaganda.
https://thepropagandaproject.wordpress.com/goebbels%E2%80%99s-principles/
[2]. https://thepropagandaproject.wordpress.com/goebbels%E2%80%99s-principles/
The purpose of reprinting these tactics is to recognize just how universally applicable they are and to draw parallels to current forms of persuasion.
PRINCIPLE 1: PROPAGANDISTS MUST HAVE ACCESS TO INTELLIGENCE CONCERNING EVENTS AND PUBLIC OPINION
PRINCIPLE 2: PROPAGANDA MUST BE PLANNED AND EXECUTED BY ONLY ONE AUTHORITY
PRINCIPLE 3: THE PROPAGANDA CONSEQUENCES OF AN ACTION MUST BE CONSIDERED IN PLANNING THAT ACTION
PRINCIPLE 4: PROPAGANDA MUST AFFECT THE ENEMY’S POLICY AND ACTION
PRINCIPLE 5: DECLASSIFIED, OPERATIONAL INFORMATION MUST BE AVAILABLE TO IMPLEMENT A PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN
PRINCIPLE 6: TO BE PERCEIVED, PROPAGANDA MUST EVOKE THE INTEREST OF AN AUDIENCE AND MUST BE TRANSMITTED THROUGH AN ATTENTION-GETTING COMMUNICATIONS MEDIUM
PRINCIPLE 7: CREDIBILITY ALONE MUST DETERMINE WHETHER PROPAGANDA OUTPUT SHOULD BE TRUE OR FALSE
PRINCIPLE 8: THE PURPOSE, CONTENT, AND EFFECTIVENESS OF ENEMY PROPAGANDA; THE STRENGTH AND EFFECTS OF AN EXPOSE; AND THE NATURE OF CURRENT PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGNS DETERMINE WHETHER ENEMY PROPAGANDA SHOULD BE IGNORED OR REFUTED
PRINCIPLE 9: CREDIBILITY, INTELLIGENCE, AND THE POSSIBLE EFFECTS OF COMMUNICATING DETERMINE WHETHER PROPAGANDA MATERIALS SHOULD BE CENSORED
PRINCIPLE 10: MATERIAL FROM ENEMY PROPAGANDA MAY BE UTILIZED IN OPERATIONS WHEN IT HELPS DIMINISH THAT ENEMY’S PRESTIGE OR LENDS SUPPORT TO THE PROPAGANDIST’S OWN OBJECTIVE
PRINCIPLE 11: BLACK RATHER THAN WHITE PROPAGANDA MUST BE EMPLOYED WHEN THE LATTER IS LESS CREDIBLE OR PRODUCES UNDESIRABLE EFFECTS
PRINCIPLE 12: PROPAGANDA MAY BE FACILITATED BY LEADERS WITH PRESTIGE
PRINCIPLE 13: PROPAGANDA MUST BE CAREFULLY TIMED
PRINCIPLE 14: PROPAGANDA MUST LABEL EVENTS AND PEOPLE WITH DISTINCTIVE PHRASES OR SLOGANS
PRINCIPLE 15: PROPAGANDA TO THE HOME FRONT MUST PREVENT THE RAISING OF FALSE HOPES WHICH CAN BE BLASTED BY FUTURE EVENTS
PRINCIPLE 16: PROPAGANDA TO THE HOME FRONT MUST CREATE AN OPTIMUM ANXIETY LEVEL
PRINCIPLE 17: PROPAGANDA TO THE HOME FRONT MUST DIMINISH THE IMPACT OF FRUSTRATION
PRINCIPLE 18: PROPAGANDA MUST FACILITATE THE DISPLACEMENT OF AGGRESSON BY SPECIFYING THE TARGETS FOR HATRED
PRINCIPLE 19: PROPAGANDA CANNOT IMMEDIATELY AFFECT STRONG COUNTER-TENDENCIES; INSTEAD IT MUST OFFER SOME FORM OF ACTION OR DIVERSION, OR BOTH
“There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be “the man in the street.” Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology.
Joseph Goebbels”,
[3]. https://www.azquotes.com/author/5626-Joseph_Goebbels
[4]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
[5]. https://thepropagandaproject.wordpress.com/goebbels%E2%80%99s-principles/
Multiculturalism produces nations of cultural homelessness: natives feel alienated from their rapidly-changing communities and become critical of immigrants, and many immigrants consequently feel as if they are in an alien and hostile land. Nobody wins except for the multicultural industry, which thrives on the very cultural tensions created by multiculturalism that are then used to justify more funding for their divisive programmes./
[6]. https://wentworthreport.com/2018/11/24/the-one-huge-problem-with-multiculturalism/
[7]. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism_in_Australia
Added after 2018 Dec. 05:
An application of the principles here [8] has discovered some Wikipedia entries, which have been manipulated to give FALSE evidence to to the South East Asian sea dispute.
The following webpages [8, 9] have been under Denial of Service attacks. The webpages criticized China’s justification of its annexation of the Paracel and Spratly groups of Islands from Vietnam.
In the Middle East, any argument based on the Dead Sea Scrolls also need to be reassessed.
[11]. https://counterinformation.wordpress.com/2019/04/09/zionism-crypto-judaism-and-the-biblical-hoax/
The dialectic of nation and religion
Gilad Atzmon points out that …:
“…..In fact, it is this duality of tribalism and universalism that is at the very heart of the collective secular Jewish identity. This duality has never been properly resolved.”
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